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Post by MaxQuad on Jul 26, 2006 14:40:15 GMT -5
Given the recent discussion and description of the Philadelphia performance of "Ian Anderson plays orchestral Tull" in another forum - what are people thinking? The Ian and Lucia (and soon Ian and Ann Marie Calhoun) show? Setlist constipation once again? Good, bad or indifferent direction?
For those not on that other forum, the setlist was stated to be:
Eurology Living in the Past Griminelli's lament Aurora (Sibelius) Wonder'ing Aloud Theme from the Godfather Life's A Long Song Moz' ART Cheap Day Return Mother Goose She is Like The Swallow Bouree TAAB (no mention of which sections, but I think we can all guess) Kashmir Pavane Aqualung/Aquadiddly God Rest Ye Merry My God Budapest Loco Breath
So, just wondering what people are thinking?
MQ
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Post by Shutter Girl on Jul 27, 2006 9:36:05 GMT -5
Constipated? That's an understatement. Really, why go to hear that when I can put on a cd (or boot from any show in the past few years) and hear the same thing. Same old, same old, really. And I don't like the title of the tour --- Ian might have written most of those songs but he's not Tull. I understand that Lucia is getting more stage time than Martin has gotten in years (or ever?). What's the point of all of that and why is he choosing to go with hot, young female violinists? What, Ric Sanders isn't good enough? It's getting kind of gross already. I'm sorry to have missed the Tull show last year, I'm afraid it may have been their last tour together. If I had to choose between seeing Ian and his current lineup and Martin's solo tour I'd choose Martin without question. His music always sounds fresh and unlike Ian, I think he cares what the audience thinks. So how would you feel if Ian just stopped playing out altogether? Which is worse, the same old stuff with the young chics and no Tull members or not playing out at all? There's a question for ya.
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Post by RepairmanJack on Jul 27, 2006 10:10:45 GMT -5
So how would you feel if Ian just stopped playing out altogether? Which is worse, the same old stuff with the young chics and no Tull members or not playing out at all? There's a question for ya. Unless he comes up with new stuff I have no desire to see him anymore. It is obvious he is just in it for the money now. What a shame...
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Post by MaxQuad on Jul 27, 2006 11:17:52 GMT -5
If I had to choose between seeing Ian and his current lineup and Martin's solo tour I'd choose Martin without question. His music always sounds fresh and unlike Ian, I think he cares what the audience thinks. So how would you feel if Ian just stopped playing out altogether? Which is worse, the same old stuff with the young chics and no Tull members or not playing out at all? There's a question for ya. I agree fully about the choice between seeing Martin solo or Ian solo. At this moment in time, Martin would win hands down. Interesting final questions you pose. As the years go by, there is no doubt that Tull is much more than Ian alone. In addition, as Ian has become more of a shell of his former self - and a caricature of his former self (do-rag instead of wild hair, standing on one leg barely, snarling while stroking his flute) - the appeal to seeing Tull has more often centered on Martin. Ian is a necessary part of the equation, obviously, but he is no longer sufficient. From afar it would seem as if Ian does not have his heart in creating new Tull music, is distancing himself from members of Tull, and is grinding out show after show for the money while obviating the need to acknowledge that Martin and the rest of the musicians truly contribute to Tull being Tull. Given that, I'd rather not tarnish the amazing memories of early model and late model Tull (with all of their differences and idiosyncrasies). Take a rest Ian - recharge, don't just recast. MQ
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Post by Shutter Girl on Jul 28, 2006 9:24:33 GMT -5
Amen, Brotha!
Do you think it's the money that drives him or his ego? Or both? Sometimes I think part of the problem is that there are a lot of fans who would see him under any incarnation, whether it's good or bad. People are just happy he's touring at all and they still get to see him. Wouldn't they like it better if he took a couple of years off to regroup and then came back with a fresh outlook and a new setlist (and Tull!)? I would like that, I can tell you.
A lot of people don't realize that there's a certain animosity amongst the band members for him. Could it be that the other members of Tull don't want to tour? Or is he excluding them from the touring experience by taking his own tour band? It irks me to see Kit Morgan and company play Tull songs just like it bothers me to hear Ian say things like, "This is from my next album" when he's actually talking about a Tull album. "OUR next album", Ian. If you feel it's solely your music then don't call the band Jethro Tull, call it the Ian Anderson Band.
Mr. Poodledoo is seeing P6 in Nashville this evening. Who is P6, you ask? Why it's Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp performing their experimental music. Is it King Crimson? No, it's the two lead members of the band getting together and trying something fresh and new in Ade's hometown. Fripp expects the members of King Crimson to branch off and try new music on their own before getting back together for a King Crimson album. The result is a fresh, lively sound full of great contributions from each individual member of the band.
Ian, take time off and regroup and reassess your contribution to music and what it means to you. And read Mr. Fripp's online diary.... perhaps you'll learn a few things about true musicianship.
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Post by Jzero on Aug 25, 2006 9:28:51 GMT -5
In a few weeks from now IA will be performing his orchestral show at the Ra'anana Amphitheatre which is about an hours drive from where I live, and I have no intention of attending this show. Somehow the notion of seeing a Tull regurgitation is not appealing to me, even if he has made the effort to come all the way over to these troubled parts.
J
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Post by Shutter Girl on Aug 25, 2006 22:10:55 GMT -5
Wow, that's saying a lot!! I guess Ian's lack of creativity is affecting people all over the world now.... In the meantime... how are you doing, my dear? Some of us here have been worried about you!! Forget about Tull, how are you and how is your family?
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Post by MaxQuad on Aug 26, 2006 0:21:21 GMT -5
In a few weeks from now IA will be performing his orchestral show at the Ra'anana Amphitheatre which is about an hours drive from where I live, and I have no intention of attending this show. Somehow the notion of seeing a Tull regurgitation is not appealing to me, even if he has made the effort to come all the way over to these troubled parts. Sad that it has come to this, J, isn't it? Hard to believe we can be experiencing such apathy about one who was once so fresh, creative, and dynamic. I can fully understand your point of view. In my heart I wish I did not agree so fully with your words, but the reality is that you probably have been kind by not going on at length. As in SG's post, hope all is well in your part of the world after too many days of chaos. MQ
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Post by Jzero on Aug 26, 2006 0:23:39 GMT -5
I am fine Kelp. The war is over for the time being. The wailing of sirens and the distant rumblings of Katyusha rockets have now subsided.
Over the last month or so, a large number of people were injured, maimed or killed just a few miles up the road from where I live, and buildings were devastated in rocket attacks as I was sitting out on my front porch and drinking my morning or evening coffee, as the case may be. A surrealistic scenario for sure, but that's how it was. Life in the North of the country came to a complete standstill as people spent weeks inside bomb shelters or concrete "safe rooms". Being right on the Southern fringes of all the action and in a location that is evidently of no strategic interest to anyone with a rocket to spare, our life went on as normal. The only difference being that we turned South to buy our weekly supply of groceries instead of North. I realize that this must sound like science-fiction to the casual reader in say... Cleveland Ohio, because it certainly sounds like science-fiction to me. Can you picture me relaxing outside my home in the evening sunset as flocks of helicopters fly overhead on their way to do battle in Southern Lebanon? That's how it was.
Now that the war is over, the time for reckoning has arrived. Protesters are out on the streets calling for commissions of inquiry and screaming for the heads of politicians and army generals who led the country into this campaign......
Maybe I will go and see Ian Anderson's Orchestral concert after all.
J
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Post by Jzero on Aug 26, 2006 0:50:14 GMT -5
In a few weeks from now IA will be performing his orchestral show at the Ra'anana Amphitheatre which is about an hours drive from where I live, and I have no intention of attending this show. Somehow the notion of seeing a Tull regurgitation is not appealing to me, even if he has made the effort to come all the way over to these troubled parts. Sad that it has come to this, J, isn't it? Hard to believe we can be experiencing such apathy about one who was once so fresh, creative, and dynamic. I can fully understand your point of view. In my heart I wish I did not agree so fully with your words, but the reality is that you probably have been kind by not going on at length. As in SG's post, hope all is well in your part of the world after too many days of chaos. MQ It is sad Max. But then, maybe IA isn't targeting the longstanding fans anymore. Maybe he is out to attract new audiences with familiar tunes set in orchestral surroundings. However, rumour (and information from an IA interview in the recent edition of AND) has it that another solo CD is due out some time in 2007, so the creative spark isn't entirely lost, it just seems to be channeled in different directions. J
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Post by MaxQuad on Sept 22, 2006 11:19:26 GMT -5
God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
Ian's/Tull's version is just fine. I just don't need to hear it again. Yet, a week ago I was mesmerized during Victor Wooten's solo portion of a Flecktone's show at Bucknell University. In the midst of his incredible playing came snippets of that familiar song - then longer and longer portions were apparent. The combination of Victor's melodic playing, his playful smile, and mastery of his instrument blew me away - and made me long to hear his version again and again.
Hearing this also made me long to hear an Ian Anderson solo of years gone by - when snippets of that same tune appeared until suddenly "there it was." His playing was harsher then - an earthy quality I miss. Yes, he may be a better musician now, but his more refined style on the flute is nowhere near as pleasing to these ears.
MQ
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Post by MaxQuad on Sept 22, 2006 11:27:27 GMT -5
Given the recent discussion and description of the Philadelphia performance of "Ian Anderson plays orchestral Tull" in another forum - what are people thinking? The Ian and Lucia (and soon Ian and Ann Marie Calhoun) show? Setlist constipation once again? On another comparative note, it was refreshing to discover that the Flecktones' setlist for Bucknell was created less than an hour before the show with input from each musician...and crew. When was the last time Ian did that? Maybe at the Marquee Club? Before Mick Abrahams "stepped aside" to form Blodwyn Pig? MQ
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Post by RepairmanJack on Sept 22, 2006 22:17:02 GMT -5
Sounds like the Flecktone's show was a lot of fun. I am not sure why more bands don't mix up their shows more often. I would think it would get boring playing the same songs over and over and over...
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Post by Shutter Girl on Sept 25, 2006 6:33:29 GMT -5
Given the recent discussion and description of the Philadelphia performance of "Ian Anderson plays orchestral Tull" in another forum - what are people thinking? The Ian and Lucia (and soon Ian and Ann Marie Calhoun) show? Setlist constipation once again? On another comparative note, it was refreshing to discover that the Flecktones' setlist for Bucknell was created less than an hour before the show with input from each musician...and crew. When was the last time Ian did that? Maybe at the Marquee Club? Before Mick Abrahams "stepped aside" to form Blodwyn Pig? MQ Did Ian ever do that? Come on, you know him, I can't see him ever giving up that much control. And if there ever was a last minute set list then it was probably some sort of mistake! It's too bad, that one little gesture would add so much to keeping Tull fresh and alive.
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Post by cgennett on Oct 5, 2006 21:20:40 GMT -5
I was at the Keswick Theater Tuesday and I thought that the show was great. I went in with no preconceptions and found the entire show a delight. Ann Marie Calhoun did steal the show. She is a wonderful violinist and a knock out to boot. The Keswick is a refurbished movie theater and it remains true to the original design. Acoustics we're superb and the entire group played with alot of spirit. I enjoyed the experience very much. This is the first time seeing Ian since 1980 at the spetrum. That was a great show too but I did prefer the intamacy of the Keswick. Hard to get used to seeing a concert with soo many parents in attendance.
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